Plone Upgrade

Hi there,

It seems strange to be writing in this forum because the site has been so fast and stable recently. Alas, we can't leave well enough alone. So we upgraded the software over the weekend. The new software is now live.

We're testing heavily today to see if all functionality is working as expected. By far, most is. Sr far, we've found only a couple of glitches:

1. Blog categories have not been migrated. They will be.
2. Not all members can add content (about 10% of you). That will be fixed soon.
3. Forums are not completely populated yet, and the order of conversations is not by date in any forum. We've fixed that before, and should be able to do it again on short order.

Of course, we rely on you to report any functionality that you've grown accustomed to that no longer works on the site. Just let us know in this forum and we'll fix it ASAP.

Marshall

P.S. The reason for the software upgrade is so that we can keep up with some really great advances upcoming in the Plone platform. We'll start to implement those as soon as the site is stabilized. For starters, check out the new "forums" portlet in the right column.

Pourquoi le francais? Je suis amerloque!

If you see French on the site, that is a problem. Please upload a screenshot.

As for the other issues listed above, only the members issue is outstanding.

Marshall

When viewing a blog entry, there is a column on the right that seems to have links to other entries in the same blog and categories farther down. The other blog entries consist of an icon and a title. In Safari, the title and the icon overlap. In Firefox on a Mac they appear correct. Other similar things on other pages work OK in Safari.

Here is a screen shot of the overlaping icons.

Marshall,

the vast percentage of my image link in my homepage no longer work. The images are still in my folder but aren't showing up on the referenced pages.

Mark

OK, I see the following pages have the problem:

• http://livemodern.com/Members/eamesdaedelus/doghouse?portal_status_message=Changes%20saved.
  
• http://livemodern.com/Members/eamesdaedelus/norwood-renovation-and-addition/
• http://livemodern.com/Members/eamesdaedelus/document.2006-02-18.3550201154/
• http://livemodern.com/Members/eamesdaedelus/document.2004-11-03.3213106258/
• http://livemodern.com/Members/eamesdaedelus/document.2004-11-23.8020200062/
• http://livemodern.com/Members/eamesdaedelus/document.2004-12-27.8259254411/
• http://livemodern.com/Members/eamesdaedelus/squareHOUSEentry2-sm.jpg/fsimage_view

Let me know if there are any additional pages where the images do not work.

I'll have Suresh check it out. It should be easy to fix. The images in question were all added with a product that we have deprecated. All images were supposed to have been converted to the new format, but apparently these were missed.

Jamie,

I have seen this behavior before, but not for a while (and I can't replicate it now). It's probably an artifact of the migration that went away as caches were cleared out.

If you still see it, you might try reloading/refreshing this page.

Marshall

Previously Jamie Stotz wrote:

Here is a screen shot of the overlaping icons.

Mark:

It appears that you have used the "http://files.livemodern.com/images/..." url for these images.

These need to be changed.

You should use only URLs of the form http://livemodern.com/eamesdedalus/id-of-image

I have changed one of your posts at

http://livemodern.com/Members/eamesdaedelus/norwood-renovation-and-addition

but I am not sure I have used the correct image. Please check this. In order to make these changes, please edit your post, turn on HTML mode by clicking on the HTML button in kupu and then change the URLs to the appropriate ones.

I just noticed that it looks like we lost the listing of the number of comments in the blog entry header.

I see that. I think we can change that easily (it makes a difference).

The # of comments are still there. They are just harder to see. On your blog page, they are listed right after the date of the blog entry (they are no longer on the blog entry header).

Marshall

Previously Gregory La Vardera wrote:

I just noticed that it looks like we lost the listing of the number of comments in the blog entry header.

Now I see this problem again. We'll try to isolate and solve the problem.

Jamie, which version of Safari are you using? I'm using 3.0.3 (a beta version, to be released with Mac OS X 10.5 this fall). Apparently, this issue does not show up with any other browser but Safari.

Marshall

Previously Marshall Mayer wrote:

><p>Jamie,<p>
><p>I have seen this behavior before, but not for a while (and I can't replicate it now). It's probably an artifact of the migration that went away as caches were cleared out.<p>
><p>If you still see it, you might try reloadingrefreshing this page.

><p>Marshall<br >

><p>Previously Jamie Stotz wrote:<p>
><blockquote>Here is a screen shot of the overlaping icons.<blockquote>
><p><p>
><blockquote>

I dug into the code for the pages and discovered that the two pages in question use different code to display what looks like the same things. Also, when I used Safari's debug menu to set the user agent to MS Explorer 6, the problem went away, which would indicate that it is related to Safari not liking some of the "make it work with windows" hacks. I also tried one of the Webkit nightly builds and it worked correctly, so it may have been a bug in Webkit that got fixed. Strangely, I went back to using Safari 2.0.4 with the user agent set to automatic and it now works fine. Anyway, its not a big deal. By the way, the navigation list on the left could use more leading. The icons are taller than the line spacing and are being clipped off. Its better in Firefox, but still a little tight. And a request: Would it hurt the site design too much if the light gray type was a little darker? I feel that it is sometimes a little too hard to read. Thanks

Jamie,

Thanks for debugging. We also installed a new version os the blog software last night, and that may have taken care of the problem. I don't see it anymore, using Safari on either Mac or Windows.

Which light gray text are you referring to? There are a couple of different possibilities.

I'll check out the leading on the navigation portlet.

Marshall

My main concern is the block quotes in the forum because they often have a substantial amount of text. Also the text of the current post on the main forum page and the blog bylines. The color of these items is set to #999999 which is the same color as the row of tabs across the top of the main page. When used in these tabs, the color seems dark enough, but when it is used for small text is ends up being too light. I think the main problem is the text smoothing in the browser. The smoothing process leaves only a few of the pixels at the original specified color; most of them become lighter. In the attached picture the type and the tab boxes are actually specified as the same color but you can see how much lighter the type appears. I have identified three css styles that seem to control these elements. You can change them by adding these lines to the ploneCustom.css style sheet. I chose the color #505050. It is much easier to read but is still noticeably gray rather than black. blockquote { padding-left: 0.5em; margin-left: 0; border-left: 4px solid #CCCCCC; color: #505050; } .discreet { color: #505050; font-size: 85%; font-weight: normal; } .documentByLine { font-size: 85%; font-weight: normal; color: #505050; margin: 0em 0em 0.5em 0em; } I put them right before the line that says: .visualCaseSensitive { I apologise if I'm telling you stuff you already know. Jamie

Previously Marshall Mayer wrote:

><p>Which light gray text are you referring to? There are a couple of different possibilities.<p>
><blockquote>

It works for me if it works for you.

I've also made a small fix on the navigation portlet, but it's still not quite right. Not that it makes much difference because the navigation portlet is not working like it's supposed to.

Marshall

Thanks, I think it helps a lot. Jamie

It looks like the forum sorting is broken again. I don't remember how much was ever working but I know that for a while now the "show all recent activity" page was correctly sorted with most recent post at the top. Since this weekend, the order is random and clicking the column headers doesn't fix it. Thanks, Jamie

I'm not sure if  clicking column headers ever worked as it should (it's on our list of things to do) but certainly the display order of the recent comments page was working properly and now is not. We'll fix it soon. Thanks for the heads up.

Marshall

FYI, the sort order on the "most recent" forum page is broken again. Jamie

Actually it's not broken. It's an artifact of the retraction process (see previous conversation posted today). All of those out of order comments had a comment retracted from them.

Marshall

That makes sense. The modified date is today, so they show up in the "recent" list, but the last post is actually the one before the retracted ones. I think I've see a similar thing when you fix pictures in a blog entry. Jamie

We're doing some upgrades over the holiday weekend, so you may see some strange site behavior the next few days. First, note that our visual editor is not enabled. We're upgrading to a new version, and apparently there is a tiny bug in it. We've also upgraded the cache software, and it will take a while to get the settings right. The site will be fast again soon. Finally, the support tab does not work. The content is still there, but it's not easily accessible. If you want to get to it, go to http://livemodern.com/support/folder_contents. Hopefully all will be well again with the world come Tuesday. Marshall

Well, some progress. The support tab is working again, though there are still some issues with some of the documents that are referenced there. And we're almost finished tweaking the cache settings, so the site is faster (and will get faster). But the visual editor is not working yet, and it's a bear. We'll keep trying and hopefully it will be fixed soon. Marshall

Ahah! The visual editor is back! And the cache settings have been tweaked so that the site is fast again. So all is well again. Whew.

Marshall

And it is the new and improved version!

Well, It looks like we need to do a bit more work on the caches. The site is pretty slow in lots of spots since we emailed over 18,000 members the LievModern News yesterday afternoon. So we'll work on this before the next big mailing goes out so that we can handle all of the traffic.

Marshall

What version of Plone did you go to?

BZ

 

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We're using 2.5.3. A few of the products we use are not yet ready for 3.0 (hopefully by the end of the year).