Modern flooring option
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Modern flooring optionPosted by Jason Hammond at May 05. 2007
Does anyone else have any simple yet cool solutions like this that work for flooring in a modern home?
Re: Modern flooring optionPosted by Chris Brown at May 06. 2007
Re: Modern flooring optionPosted by Jason Hammond at May 06. 2007
That's a great house. I can't tell what type of wood was used for the flooring. We're using Birch which is fairly prevalent in our area so is reasonable. We also have a slab on grade for part of the house that we plan to just polish for a final finish. I'm looking forward to the contrast of materials.
Re: Modern flooring optionPosted by Dara at May 07. 2007
Using plywood is a neat idea.
We're also trying to decide what type of flooring to do in a house we're building and are considering staining an unfinished hardwood a gray or other color. Since there are so many stains to choose from, it seems we can do something different from the usual hardwood finishes. We also considered staining a bamboo floor another color, but apparently that doesn't work well.
Re: Modern flooring optionPosted by GeorgeW at May 08. 2007
Re: Modern flooring optionPosted by Jason Hammond at May 08. 2007
If you regularly use a surface sealer on the floors you shouldn't have too many issues. The ones shown in the photo (are as you mentioned a birch hardwood) I believe are 4or5 years old and look wonderful.
Re: Modern flooring optionPosted by richierod at May 14. 2007
Re: Modern flooring optionPosted by Jason Hammond at May 14. 2007
If you want you can up the price a little and go with a baltic birch plywood 1/2" rather than 3/4 plywood and not have to worry about he issues with wear as much. I'm sure MDF would look great stained as well. We've even considered using HDPE on some parts of the house.
Re: Modern flooring optionPosted by liz hedrick at June 06. 2007
I definitely like the look of the plywood, and we were thinking of doing the same thing in our house. We have three layers of plywood as the subfloor and were thinking of putting a thin layer of baltic birch ply directly on top.
Do you have any more recommendations about attachment methods and finishing the floor? From the photo of the Luminhous, I couldn't see the screws in the corners that Chris wrote about earlier in the discussion.
Re: Modern flooring optionPosted by Jason Hammond at June 06. 2007
My contractor is having the lumber yard cut the wood tongue and groove and then we are going to glue down the panels. My Architect actually had the lumber yard cut grooves into all 4 sides of the sheets and then used a biscuit style method using 1/4 thick strips melamine to attach the sheets together. He used glue for most but did strategically nail in some of the heavy traffic areas.
I've heard some concern from one of our subs that the type of plywood sheeting that's available today uses thinner sheets of veneer for the top piece which puts it at risk of getting easily damaged. I think your ideas of using a thinner sheet of Baltic birch is a really smart one and one we are considering as well.
Re: Modern flooring optionPosted by darrel at June 09. 2007
Baltic birch sounds great, but exensive.
This home on the home tour:
Had this great flooring upstairs. It was-end-grain laminate, I think Oak. Something I had never seen before.
Re: Modern flooring optionPosted by Jason Hammond at June 10. 2007
I think the trick with the baltic birch would be to actually use 5/8 vs 3/4 so you save on some cost of the material. I can't see any images of the floor on the link you provided but the place looks like it's nice.
Re: Modern flooring optionPosted by uncleho at June 16. 2007
After ~10 years of learning and dreaming I'm still stuck on MDF, too. 4'x4' also... though I may get SILLY and rip planks of MDF and make patterns.
Anyways... how do you plan on dealing with the JOINTS? I'm going to make ~1/8" chamfers on all edges to minimize the eventual unevenness visible if left sharp edged, but I'm not quite clear if I should caulk or lay some rubber sealer or such. All "tiles" of MDF will be screwed only at the corners, but I don't know what the expansion rates would do if set at tight butt joints.
Plywood con = Depending on the species, it could be SOFT and easily dented. I did a nonscientific test years back where I got all manner of alternative floor material (from bamboo to MDF to CFB to plywood to strawboard to god only knows) together and dropped untensils (sharp ends down) on them from counter height to judge damage and MDF won by a long shot for wood-based. The CFB is obviously champ, but there is a HUGE variety in the "species" of CFB.
Re: Modern flooring optionPosted by richierod at June 23. 2007
Re: Modern flooring optionPosted by Jason Hammond at June 24. 2007
My GC has a small lumber yard that will cut all the sheets tongue and groove so that it our intended approach. My architect actually just had a 1/4 groove cut into all sides and then used a 1/4 sheet of melamine to hold the sheets together ans it looks great.
Re: Modern flooring optionPosted by richierod at July 03. 2007
Re: Modern flooring optionPosted by Jason Hammond at July 04. 2007
exciting! I can't wait to see how it looks. With the seal coating on it I would guess the MDF looks really beautiful.
Re: Modern flooring optionPosted by richierod at August 28. 2007
Re: Modern flooring optionPosted by Jason Hammond at August 29. 2007
They look like they turned out very nice. I'd love to see a close up of them. MDF has some great grain pattern to it and I'm sure once the sealer went on the colors of it really came out.
Re: Modern flooring optionPosted by richierod at August 29. 2007
Re: Modern flooring optionPosted by Steven at August 29. 2007
Looks great, I think I will play around with getting a gray concrete look. Could be very versatile and easier on the feet.
Re: Modern flooring optionPosted by Kirk Washburn at September 23. 2007
I am surprised how good that looks! How did you make those plugs? They are such a tight fit. Thanks!
Previously richierod wrote:
You guys are so demanding...
Here is a somewhat out of focus shot of the MDF up close. Here you can see the grain, the chamfer and the plugs covering the screws.
Re: Modern flooring optionPosted by richierod at September 23. 2007
Re: Modern flooring optionPosted by Kirk Washburn at September 25. 2007
Great excuse to buy a new tool! Thanks!
Previously richierod wrote:
You can buy a thing called a "plug-cutter". And it does exactly that, cut plugs! So, if you drill 3/4" holes, you buy a 3/4" plug-cutter and it alwatys fits exactly. It's a beautiful, no hassle type of thing. Some flooring guys will install one type of floor and then plug the holes with a different species of wood to accentuate the plugs. That looks cool too. Anyway, you cut the plugs, drop some glue in the holes, tap the plugs in with a mallet and flush cut the plugs with a saw. -R.
Re: Modern flooring optionPosted by Jason Hammond at December 10. 2007
I am trying to decide how to fasten my flooring down . Did you actually screw your pieces to the sub-floor or did you use some sort of tongue and groove system channel and fir strip to connect the pieces together.I'm worried about swelling and shrinking of the pieces as the humidity changes.
Re: Modern flooring optionPosted by uncleho at December 11. 2007
When I build I plan on T&G all sides of my MDF panels, which will be 4'x4' tiles. I will have visible SS screws in counterbored holes. The screws will hold them down while the T&G will help minimize the effects of humidity and unequal subfloor. The tiles will be chamfered like the ones in the photos above to help minimize any visual error due to any variation in thickness and subfloor error.
At least that is the theory.
Re: Modern flooring optionPosted by richierod at December 17. 2007
Well, I am experiencing some dimensional changes in the floor, as I did not use a T&G type of registry system. I am experiencing some buckling. It is slight, however, and no cause for worry - especially since it is in the kids rooms. After actually installing and living with this floor, I think the best answer for this type of installation is to chamfer the edges and during installation to leave a nail's width of space between adjacent panels. This would look OK because of the chamfer, and give your floor a little bit of room to "breathe". That said, if you cut plugs like I did, you really cannot see them. So, in this case, you could screw every corner AND one midway down the sides, together with the dollop of construction adhesive in the center, and get a pretty sturdy result.
Uncle Ho -
I think you might consider that if you T&G the sides, you still may get lift if the humidity is high enough to cause the panel to swell if there is no mechanical fastener to hold the panel to the subfloor midway between the corners. One thought - about minimizing panel swell - is to finish all six sides of the MDF before installation and then applying a finish coat to the show side.