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Discussing the Details: Concrete Ofuro

by Splatgirl posted on 04-04-2006 21:12 last modified 12-23-2006 22:13

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The idea of a concrete soaking tub is one that has seen a fair amount of discussion on the boards here in the past, so I decided to dedicate an entry to describing how we went about constructing ours.

Despite what were obviously serious doubts on the part of our plumbers (and others, come to think of it...), the concrete ofuro has turned out to be a HUGE success. I really could not be more pleased with the end result and I can't wait to dip my toes in. After the crazyness of the last year and a half, I need it! The specifics: Outside dimensions of the tub are 42"L x 42"W x 36"H The walls are 4" thick rebar reinforced concrete. The seat inside is about 13" high and the back is slightly reclined for comfort. As with any concrete pour, the formwork is what really matters and what takes the most time. This was my first foray into anything cast concrete, but you'll recall, I've just built a concrete house so I had plenty of opportunities to pay attention in class during the course of that work and I never missed an opportunity to ask questions and learn about the material. Here's the form, ready to go: The inner and outer form panels I made using 3/4" melamine. This was basically just an exercise in visualizing negative space and a lot like forming a stoop, although slightly more complex. What required the most thought here was figuring out how to hold all of the panels together, not screw through the inner melamine surface, and still be able to get everything apart and out once the concrete hardened. I used blocks of scrap melamine screwed together in a lenghtwise "L" and then screwed to the form panels. I also braced the melamine panels with scrap lumber to keep them from bowing and reinforced the corners with plumbing strap. Because the tub needed to have a floor, the inner form needed to be held up higher than the outer form. This was accomplished by basically hanging the inner form from the walls of the outer form, again using scrap lumber and plumbing strap. Regarding the plumbing rough in: I had the drain roughed in slightly lower than the intended height of the tub floor to allow for a pitch of about 1/4"/foot for drainage. The overflow pipe was roughed in so that it ended up within the 4" thickness of the tub wall. You can see the circular hole in the form wall in the pictures. This is the PVC collar that the chrome overflow trim screws to, and the flange of this PVC piece fits into and extends just slightly into that hole to prevent concrete from filling the overflow. I had originally planned on getting ready mix for the tub and the concrete counters, and pouring all of this stuff at once. Fortunately, I came to my senses and realized that was going to be WAY too much of a panic to worry about all at once, and I decided it would be better to DIY our mix using bagged materials. I was also concerned about having very tight control over the amount of water in the mix, and I decided that ready mix would be too unpredictable and likely too wet. I rented a portable, electric mixer for this event which turned out to be not as useful as I had hoped. We found that mixing two bags of material at a time using a wheelbarrow and mason's hoe worked a lot better. Having two great friends there to lend a hand was a huge bonus as well. Here's the form all filled, showing the slanted back and the bracing inside. The cross pieces with the strapping on them are suspending the inside form off the floor. It was helpful that we were pouring up against an existing wall, as that was one less side of form to have to brace and worry about keeping square. There was also a temporary wall on the supply side of the tub (built to soothe the plumbers and give them somewhere to place their rough-in), that provided a backer to a second side of the form. The other two sides we braced to the walls of the bathroom, shown here: Any good concrete guy will tell you you can never go overboard with bracing. A yard or two of wet concrete all over the floor inside the house would have been a huge drag, and while we got a little bowing, the bracing and form reinforcements did their job. In this regard, our slow process of mixing a few bags of material at a time, by hand, was a boon as it allowed us to keep a sharp eye on the form and make adjustments to the bracing as necessary. We also made an effort to mix the concrete with as little water as possible, both because of the effect of this on the cured product and because less water equals less pressure on the mold. Here's a shot of the newly de-molded tub. The concrete is still slightly wet and very green. We've also removed the temporary pony wall here, and you can see the water supply lines. I'll post some pictures of the finished product and the completed room shortly.
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form question

Posted by lyle bargamento at 04-05-2006 00:50

really nice job... what was the spacing on the rebar? was that #4 rebar? how did you keep the rebar from touching the form? how long did you wait before removing the form?

rebar

Posted by Splatgirl at 04-05-2006 19:55

I used 1/4" rebar. I drilled 1" or so into the floor to place three uprights per side. Then I bent some "L"s and tied these to the uprights to encircle the whole thing in two separate layers. We did have to be careful and make sure to adjust the rebar here and there to keep things from poking through the concrete, but it ended up fine. If I did it again, I'd epoxy the uprights into the slab first so they couldn't move. This would have made placing the horizontal layers and keeping them in place a lot easier.

nice job

Posted by Steven at 04-05-2006 07:57

that is really cool! nice job!

Is it cold on the buns?

Does the mass take alot of the heat out of the water quickly?

I bet one could run wirsbo heating pex tube in the concrete tub if they had infloor radiant heating and planned it out during construction. A heated concrete tub would be helpful eh?

temperature

Posted by Splatgirl at 04-05-2006 20:14

I haven't gotten to use it yet! I can say that the bathroom is one of the warmer rooms in the house because there are several PEX runs that go through there in addition to the run for the room itself, so the tub surfaces are relatively warm when those loops are active, just like the floor. Hopefully this will help with the heat-sucking issue. Either way, the answers to your questions remain to be seen, but these were definitely things we wondered about too.

Putting PEX in the tub walls was part of my original plan until the very last. When it came down to it at the time we were laying the PEX on that level, I realized that this was going to be too difficult to execute. The consequences of screwing up the location, even an inch, would have been very problematic, and getting the tubing to bend up out of the floor to a vertical while still keeping everything within the plane of the floor or tub walls would have extremely difficult or impossible. I do think this could have been accomplished SOMEHOW, but not with the variety of PEX we were using (some accomodate tighter bends than others), and not without pretty significant pre-planning and a deep breath.

Beautiful!

Posted by cdrmemphis at 04-05-2006 12:18

The tub seems to be a cool art piece itself in the bathroom. What are your next stages to finishing the tub? Are you going to leave the concrete exposed? Interesting faucet I am sure. And are there steps to climb into the tub? Did you have to reinforce the floor under the tub and was the process involved.

I look forward to soaking in my new tub someday. I think we will probably stay with the pre-made cast iron tub due to lack of experence with pouring concrete. But yours sure is cool!

finishing details

Posted by Splatgirl at 04-05-2006 20:28

I filled the voids on the inside of the tub with colored epoxy but the exterior is as it came out of the mold. Really though, only one side shows. The back side ends up as part of the shower and the opposite side is mostly covered by one of the vanities...pics soon I promise.

Our home has reinforced concrete floors on both levels, and this bathroom is on grade level so the supporting floor wasn't an issue. I did place extra rebar in the slab under the intended location of the tub just to be sure.

Art piece yes, and I guess that's the only consolation if it ends up sucking as a bathtub.

Wonderful tub!

Posted by lynne cimimo at 04-10-2006 15:05

Hi, Thanks for sharing your tub construction process with us. It looks wonderful. We were thinking of building our own tub as well. I wanted to know how you chose the dimensions for your tub - did you measure an existing tub somewhere or did you choose the dimensions that worked best for your space?

tub dimensions

Posted by Splatgirl at 04-12-2006 14:50

Thanks! I was trying for a happy medium that would give us the largest tub possible for the space, room enough to be comfortable, and a sane volume of water.

Hi

Posted by James Hands at 05-24-2006 12:41

Superb work. I'm very interested in creating an outdoor version of this. Any recent updates? Has it been filled? Any cracks formed yet? etc etc

ofuro update

Posted by Splatgirl at 07-09-2006 15:10

Hi We've used the tub a couple of times. Works great. Zero cracks so far. We used a very stiff mix which helps to limit cracking.

An outdoor tub would be so cool! Be sure you use an aerated mix if it's going to be exposed to the elements and you live in a climate that is subject to freeze/thaw.

Ad Mixes

Posted by Phil Bentley at 09-02-2006 13:20

I have poured a couple of countertops before but have never used and ad mix, but now I am thinking about doing a tub and wanted to know what admixes you used to keep it dry. Also would you mind sharing your formula (if you still have it). Thanks for the posting it has helped give me the confidence to do my own.

Concrete Ofuro drainage waste

Posted by Donal Hicley at 03-27-2007 08:15
I have designed a concrete bath 1940MM[76inches] x 1200mm[47inches] x 700MM[28inches] deep which has underfloor heating coils and insulation below the structure of the bath. It is then covered in terrazzo on all surfaces. It has a large water capacity. Has anyone found a proprietary plug/waste suitable to empty a large bath.

Concret Recipe

Posted by Brad Mathis-Krone at 07-01-2007 08:56
I am planning on building a tub similar to yours, can you share your concret reciepe that you used on this with us? How's the tub working so far? Did you finish the tub with any color's? Any new pics?