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December 8, 2004 Title 24 Compliance

by Sara R. Sage posted on 12-08-2004 16:00 last modified 07-26-2005 14:30 —

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Another hiccup...

The engineering for our house started this week and as planned, we submitted our project to a company that processes title 24 reports. At the same time the factory was finalizing our water heater and HVAC system so we would have the appropriate information to forward to the title 24 engineers. In doing so, they discovered a problem with our plans; here’s the story:

One of the goals for our house is for 100% of our energy needs to be provided by solar panels. Our plan is to finance this a few months after we receive our certificate of occupancy. With this in mind, we instructed the factory to install an electric water heater and furnace. Our planned washer/dryer combo as well as our range is electric. We wanted to avoid using any natural gas in the house because it would decrease the cost-effective benefit of financing a whole house solar system, especially since we are planning on installing the solar panels shortly. Besides, natural gas prices are very high these days…

The factory called me this Friday and informed me that if we installed an electric (tankless) water heater and an electric furnace, we would most likely flunk the title 24 report. They never had anyone request an electric water heater or furnace in their many years of building. The further they looked into electric furnaces and water heaters, the more troublesome they started to look. The State of California highly discourages the use of electricity for space and water heating. The factory recommended that we start the title 24 report without having any information about the heating, cooling and water heating. They suggested that the title 24 engineer could help us find an all-electric solution for a little extra money.

David found a company that could do the title 24 for only $150, Title 24 Express I believe they have the lowest prices of any company on the internet. After speaking with the engineer, who seemed very knowledgeable, I submitted our project. He agreed to help the factory find a solution for us. In fact, he suggested it before I asked… for only an extra $15. His opinion was that an electric water heater and furnace would definately cause us to flunk the title 24 requirements.

We mulled it over the weekend and decided to look into solar water heater/radiant floor units. However, doing this would decrease the cost-effective benefit of our forced cold air unit. To make a looooong story short, we discovered today that we will pass the title 24 report if we install radiant heating that works in consort with our water heater. We will also have to do one of two things: 1) Hook up the electric on-demand water heater to a supplemental solar water heater at the factory 2) Use evaporative cooling instead of refrigerated air.

We decided to go with the evaporative cooler, also known as a swamp cooler. I’ve heard so many derogatory things about “swamp coolers”; that they make your home humid and that you have to refill them often. We live in a very dry climate and I hear there is a new generation of “swamp coolers” that work very well with little maintenance, so I’m keeping my fingers crossed.

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fudging it

Posted by Mark Fojas at 12-08-2004 22:39

So could you fudge it and have a gas and electric system as well? Would a gas fireplace count as a heating system?

This Title 24 stuff is fascinating. So even if you calculated how much power you would get from solar panels, and it proved to be more than enough for your estimated power needs, you still wouldn't qualify?

Clarification

Posted by Sara R. Sage at 12-08-2004 23:34

I should clarify. The State of California WANTS our space and water heating to be from a natural gas appliance. They highly discourage the use of electrical appliances for this purpose since electricity is much less efficient.

And... They will NOT count the solar panels because they will not be installed before the certificate of occupancy. In other words, they're not going to take our word that we'll do it later.

So the house had to pass the title 24 requirements with the use of all electricity and no solar panels in place.

Sara

Swamp cooler

Posted by Creede Fitch at 12-09-2004 01:52

First off let me just say that I think radiant is an excelent way to go. What kind of tankless heater are you planning on using for your radiant, and do you plan on using it for your domestic water too? Second, I live in Utah, and in my appartment we have a swamp cooler. Personally I do not think that it is a big deal at all, I don't mind the humidity, and there really is not that much maintainence. Hopefully you can take advantage of the good architectual design and use cross breezes etc for the cooling.

Hey, thanks

Posted by Sara R. Sage at 12-09-2004 12:01

I'm glad to hear about your experience with swamp coolers. My husband David says that we should just pretend that a swamp cooler was our first choice, since it will be better for my asthma. I think radiant flooring (with linoleum) will also be a healthier choice for heating.

We're using a Takagi tankless water heater and will also be used for the radiant heating system.

Sara

that does not sound too bad

Posted by Gregory La Vardera at 12-09-2004 12:50

How much heating do you think you will use? I know the desert will get cold at night, but if you button up the house it should not be very much. And how humid could the swamp cooler make the house when the ambient humidity is so low?

GC query...

Posted by Paul Klintworth at 12-14-2004 14:23

Hi Sara,

Thanks again for this blog, it has been very helpful in my own project, which brings me to my next question. Was wondering if you would be willing to pass along the contact info for your General Contractor. I would like to speak with him about my project if possible...

Best,

Paul (spleeah@aol.com)